Listen to Angela’s conversation with Professor Game (Rob Alvarez Bucholska) in his Podcast.  Rob is an expert, international speaker, and advocate for the use of gamification and games-based solutions, especially in education and learning.

https://professorgame.libsyn.com/angela-feigl-with-how-to-bring-the-fun-to-learning-episode-252?tdest_id=2229650